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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Cyalaytr:
What if you saw him, didn't get an ID and he just happened be someone who raped or robbed a resident there?
You see someone swerving a car in a slow mannor, do you pull em over and see if they have been drinking or just let them wreck and then test blood alcohol level?</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
there's that hypothetical intent i mentioned.
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perhaps the guy knew that an RA is no different
than any other student in terms of 'actual'
penalty-giving.
lots of people fuck with RA's because they are
mostly arrogant, bloated dicks.
at my school, dorms are not 'private' in the
sense that anyone who is a non-resident cannot
come in, and judging by the day/time this
occured, there is no reason for anyone to be
'suspicious'.
its one thing to keep an eye out for 'potential'...
another thing entirely to assume suspicion.
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there's that hypothetical intent i mentioned.
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Being as each student pays rent or fee to stay there it is concidered a lease and a private residance. Hence why the police would have to have a search warrent to enter anyone's room individually. Hence ... if they can't enter a room without warrent... What give the ok for Mr bad ass black guy too? Was he lost? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMm NO.
CYA
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based on what hanny said, the two guys did
not enter their private rooms.
secondly, the police do not need a warrant to
roam the dorm halls... neither do the two guys.
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upon checking hanny's rule book for the residence
halls of WIU (click HERE if you are interested),
here is an excerpt:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Hall Security Guidelines
As a student attending Western Illinois University, you are extended the privilege of self-regulated hours to enter and leave your residence hall. Procedures for entering or leaving the residence halls are clearly outlined for each hall. You are advised to check the procedures for your living unit. Residence hall security ultimately depends on the responsible actions of each resident. Security begins with you. Your room door should be locked at all times. Do not prop open stairwell or outside doors.
For security purposes, all residence halls are locked by 11 p.m. weekday evenings and by 1 a.m. on Fridays and Saturdays. If you are returning to your assigned residence hall after closing hours, you should go to the designated door to gain entry with your exterior access key.
Your guests will also have self-regulated hours. You will be responsible for your guests (i.e., informing them of hall and University policies and regulations). Your guests will be admitted to the residence hall after closing only if accompanied by you or a resident of that particular living unit. Failure to comply with these regulations could result in charges of trespass being filed with the Office of Public Safety (OPS).</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
it seems to me, based on the above, that if
the individual 'peeped in'... it could easily
been on accident -- looking for another room.
what hanny posted *about them peeping and spitting*
is really heresay since hanny admits that he
nor jimmy witnessed any of it.
regardless, the handbook clearly suggests that
the individual rooms should be locked
at all times as a regular *duh* security....
if the individuals 'peeped in'... then it could
be said that it was hanny's/jimmy's problem...
since they opted to keep the door unlocked
(this is also true had the door been open).
as i mentioned before, the persons wandering
the hall were free to do so... if you were to
base it on what the handbook says:
#1 -- it was visiting hours. the residence hall
was not locked to the public.
#2 -- though there is clearly defined rules for
members of the opposite sex visiting the halls,
there are no clearly defined rules for persons
from other floors in the hall... much less
persons from other residence halls on campus.
secondly, it is wrong to infer that the person
held by the RA was indeed the two other persons.
if no one can ID the kid... then he shouldn't
be treated in the manner that hanny treated
him in... regardless of his answers to the RA.
i realize that i am on the 'other' side of the
argument and my views are prolly held in discretion
simply because i do not get all riled up and
pissed. but in the same light, i can only make
judgment based on the story hanny told...
i will not make inference simply because i
should be oblidged to.
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From Illinois Criminal Code
9.44.030 Trespass to Residence.
It is unlawful to commit trespass to a residence. A person commits trespass to a residence when, without authority, that person knowingly enters or remains within a residence, including a house trailer. For purposes of this section, in the case of a multi-unit residential building or complex, "residence" shall only include the portion of the building or complex which is the actual dwelling place of any person and shall not include such places as common recreational areas or lobbies. (Ord. 1996-M-64 ? 1.)
9.20.010 Disorderly conduct - Designated - Prohibited.
It is unlawful for a person to commit disorderly conduct. A person commits disorderly conduct when he knowingly:
A. Does any act in such unreasonable manner as to alarm or disturb another and to provoke a breach of the peace; or
B. With intent to annoy another, makes a telephone call, whether or not conversation thereby ensues; or
C. Enters upon the property of another for a lewd or unlawful purpose; deliberately looks into a dwelling on the property through any window or other opening.
(Ord. 1969-M-3 ? 1: prior code ? 28.002.)
CYA
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the only problem is, how are " to alarm" or "to annoy" defined? if someone has a squeaky shoe, is that illegal?
And for the last clause, that's only applicable if it can be proven that there was criminal intent.
Legally spoken, you went to far, especially with the threat, which IS punishable quite a bit.
But i can understand why you did it, i'd probably do it too.
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ok... i'm not really sure why you posted the
IL state laws... because technically, a college
and university is considered private property
and had the individual been a WIU student,
there would be nothing the IL state police could
do since it would be in the hands of the
college/university.
secondly, because of this fact, many colleges
and universities employ campus police....which
are used if a certain college/university rule
has been violated...
which, based on what i have said, has yet to be determined [img]tongue.gif[/img]
i still say.... make no inference
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by shatzy:
ok... i'm not really sure why you posted the
IL state laws... because technically, a college
and university is considered private property
and had the individual been a WIU student,
there would be nothing the IL state police could
do since it would be in the hands of the
college/university......
i still say.... make no inference</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
All of which their laws (college criminal codes) would fall UNDER the same ones as the city and or county in which the college resided in. So Yes they do have their own police and do their own policing for the most part.... but all of which is goverend by city and county law. It isnt like they are some foreign country in there own PRIVATE property.
and as for " make no inference" .... I had to look it up. Here it is for those besides myself who didnt know the meaning.
in?fer?ence ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nfr-ns)
n.
The act or process of deriving logical conclusions from premises known or assumed to be true.
The act of reasoning from factual knowledge or evidence.
Something inferred.
Usage Problem. A hint or suggestion: The editorial contained an inference of foul play in the awarding of the contract. See Usage Note at infer.
Now I know.
CYA
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i'm proud of you on two counts, cya....
#1 -- you looked up a word you weren't sure of
believe it or not, i find that a good quality in a person
(and no, i'm not being sarcastic)
#2 -- not only admitting you looked up a word,
but publicly posting it
so anyways... back to what i was saying.
yes, the college/university gets support from
local, state, and government laws....
however, when i said that it was private property,
that didn't mean that its a separate situation
away from those laws... but merely that local
police (under the state) will not interfere.
i know this because a few years ago...
i was robbed. not only was i robbed, but several
other people in my building were robbed on the
same night (which, incidentially, was the eve
of mother's day).
anyways...
because i lived in a complex that was funded
by area grants and privately-owned corporations,
the state considers the building (in as far as
the 'title' and its program) a privately owned
institution.
therefore, when i called 911... i was told that
the local state police could not enter the
property because it was considered 'private
property of an institution'.
this is why i make my claim.
granted, arkansas laws may be completely different
than illinois laws, i really wouldn't know.
but i assume that since the 'technicality' of
my building -- and being privately owned by
the state -- and because i was told what i was
told, even after multiple robberies happened,
i assume the same is true for public colleges/universities.
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Well thank you Shatzy...
And as to why I posted the Illinois city criminal laws were because even though the two (city police and College police) act as two different entities... they still abide by the same set of laws or there within. Each does their own to enforce those laws just as a Sherif and a City Police man have differant areas... something against the law in the city is more then likely against the law under the same criminal code for the county just handled by a differant person. The only time a city offical (policeman) would interfear or handle the case would be if the two departments could work better as a pair on the same item. Just as a police chase starts in one city and continues into another. By all right the laws broken that started the chase were in county #1 yet when entering county #2 either the State will take over due to the area covered or maybe they will just assist.
Either way in short... I posted city criminal code as I couldnt find a listing for the Collage campus criminal code though if you check with them they prolly have the exact same books as the city or there within.
:-)
CYA
